Gov Herbert Signs SB251…BUT What’s His Game With It Now? (E-Verify) (UPDATE)

The good news first: Thanks to Governor Herbert for finally signing SB251 yesterday.  SB251 will have employers use E-Verify (a free, rapid response system) to make sure they hire legal workers.  More importantly the system will prevent the vast majority of identity theft for employment (much of which targets children’s identities).  For more on E-Verify, click here for posts on it, or here to go to the program’s page.  ID theft information can be found here.

Now for a stark word of warning and vigilance:

Hebert indicated that he was going to alter the bill via a special session.  Further, KSL reported: “Utah gov to gut E-Verify bill in special session

Utah Gov. Gary Herbert plans on calling the Legislature into a special session to water down a bill he’s signed into law requiring businesses to confirm the immigration status of their new employees.

Herbert signed the measure Wednesday, and his spokeswoman says the governor will call lawmakers back to work to amend it before it takes effect July 1.

The bill was already watered down so there were no penalties for businesses that failed to comply.

Herbert says he wants to amend the bill so it makes clear that using the federal E-Verify program is voluntary.

First of all the bill was already watered down to remove penalties for non-compliance.  Now he wants to further make it voluntary.  That’s baloney, pure and simple.  Doing so completely demolishes the bill – E-Verify is already voluntary.  The whole point of the bill was to level the playing field and have all businesses use the program!  Note: over 2,000 Utah businesses (including the LDS Church) use the program.

Is it really the Governor’s intention to gut the bill and ensure business can hire illegal labor (be it illegal immigrants, fugitives or deadbeats)?  Is he ready to turn a blind eye to the child victims of identity theft (and wrongly arrested Utahns) and the destructive nature of such hiring practices?

That being said, I’ve heard a rumor that the intent is only to alter the bill to delay implementation for one year.  Some larger businesses were concerned that 90 days may be insufficient time to change their IT systems and train users and HR depts.  They may have a point there and a slight delay is acceptable to me for such, with the condition that nothing else is altered.  However, I have seen no indication of the above in Governor Herbert’s press release nor the KSL story.  Also keep in mind that it was citizen action that saved the bill from a veto.

Just what game is Herbert playing?  It may be wise to contact him (801-538-1000) and your legislators and ask.

Again…extreme vigilance.

Parting shot: The linked Governor’s press release notes that he met with business and minority community groups.  I would sure like to know how much time he spent with average Utah citizen groups and identity theft victims compared to his meetings with the aforementioned politically-connected interests…

UPDATE: It looks like Herbert wants to gut the bill.  His intent is not to delay the bill for one year, but to make it completely voluntary (E-Verify use already is) and leave it up to legislators to come back with a new bill in the 2011 session.  The spin is that it will, thus, be voluntary for a year…and maybe the legislature will decide to do something the next year.  Basically, he wants to take both sides and do an “ex post facto” veto while also claiming he signed the bill.  His strategy is a very John Kerryesque “I was for it before I was against it”.  That’s not leadership worth voting for in my book.

5 thoughts on “Gov Herbert Signs SB251…BUT What’s His Game With It Now? (E-Verify) (UPDATE)

  1. We all assume that our government works for the interests of the people, but I am afraid this is far off the truth. We already know that the E-Verify was compromised by Sen. Harry Reid in the Senate, along with majority speaker Nancy Pelosi. Then we have Sen. Lindsey Graham, Sen. Chuck Schumer who along with Sen. John McCain who are pushing for a mass AMNESTY. Now that E-Verify has gained tremendous public recognition, business momentum in using this data base.

    The E-Verify system has continually harassed by all the open border organizations, as it verifies who can work and who can be rejected from applying for a job? Unable to uncouple the usage of E-Verify that is now flooding millions of companies, the government lawmakers inflicted hysteria, by hiring an outside contractor Westat, to diagnose its actual capabilities and reporting back to Homeland Security. It wasn’t completely foolproof? E-Verify could not reveal illegal aliens using bogus ID documents but it was working. So whether as an intentional distraction or not, to mislead the majority of honest businesses doing the right thing. Sen. Chuck Schumer suddenly unleashed yet another creation the biometric Identification card? It would rescind the E-Verify program and whether intentional or not, the National ID biometric card, was to replace the program.

    With the news of an Arizona Rancher shot to death, with his dog, John McCain seemingly to have changed his mind somewhat, demanding that the National Guard be rushed to the border. Even Governor Richardson an ardent supporter of illegal immigration has ordered his National Guard to be established along his state border. So why has not Governor Schwarzenegger ordered his detachment of National Guard, to his border as the–SANCTUARY CALIFORNIA is in desperate financial assistance. California a refuge for illegal aliens contrary to the sovereign laws of this nation, cannot afford any longer under its Sacramento Liberal-Socialist Assembly to offer illegal alien families substantial welfare benefits. For decades nothing has been done, because most legislators are scare to death of changing the laws on entitlements.

    Few companies and communities have had the nerve to display the E-Verify sign in its windows and those who are not using this application should be boycotted specially in California. In fact any worker who identify suspicious labor should contact ICE.

    You can put unemployed Americans back to work if you start using this database to pressure employers in your local area to use E-Verify. Yes, you as an individual citizen you will find the E-Verify data base on NUMBERSUSA. You don’t have to wait on Congress to pass the SAVE Act. Look for businesses that appear to be hiring illegal aliens, check their database and then start building the public shame that the business is keeping open the option to hire illegal aliens over U.S. workers. NUMBERSUSA have the entire E-Verify database on our website at You can look up any business, non-profit or government to see if it is using E-Verify to ensure that jobs go to U.S. citizens and legal immigrants. Read the specific instructions on how to go about this information, which allows you to do something for the unemployed.
    There should be a bounty on every business, that have hired many workers who have no legal documentation of legal status, as they are stealing jobs. Americans should bare-down on all lawmakers, Governors, Mayors and all elected officers who shown their betrayal of the millions of legal workers, still searching for a job, when 8 million illegal foreigners who have work. THEY SHOULD BE REMEMBERED IN EVERY FORTHCOMING ELECTION? If foreign nationals violate the law crossing illegally into this nation, they certainly have nothing to lose by voting in the Midterm elections? Let’s face it, if the morons in Washington are going to enumerate foreign national families in the 2010 Decennial Census who violated our immigration laws to come here, nothing will stop criminals from voting. Perhaps the inception of the “TEA PARTY” movement has an agenda to stop this absolute travesty of our immigration enforcement and the US Constitution.

    NO MORE AMNESTIES, MAKE E-VERIFY PERMANENT , FULLY FUND 287 (G) FOR LOCAL POLICE AND RESUME EXPANDED ICE RAIDS. Learn more at NUMBERSUSA dot com, JudicialWatch dot org and AmericanPatrol dot com Call the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121 and asked for your Senator or Congressman. In addition bombard your State Representatives to enforce state laws.

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